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Going by the clues so far in this case, and as far as
crystal's murder, it seems like it was:

Dale....with the knife.....behind the crates

And as for Dale's murder, the clues point to:

Christian....with the shotgun...at the grave

I'm sure that this, however, will change after this
week's update. I tend to think that this week we may
find that christian is dead as well.

Response: Thanks for the theories, Christian has been taken into custody in California, see Arrest Report from Sonoma County.

(Back from a Big Sleep)
1) Dave Woolworth's car looks like a brand-new VW, which just became available. Did anyone else notice the black hatchback in the photo of his apartment building? Maybe, Dave was involved, and planted the evidence in Christian's car. What happened to the black hatchback in the photo? Who's to say there weren't 2 black hatchbacks involved?

2) I am shocked that no one has praised Crime Scene for the beautiful maps! If only I had known, it surely would have helped me recover from my illness more quickly.

3) Please tip me off about the next chat session.
Mystery Gal (aka "Ms. Map")

Response: Glad you are recovered and find the maps helpful. Thanks for the comments. The hatchback in front of Dave Woolworth's building is not Chambers' vehicle, however, we have not confirmed that those seen by Philbert and Dawes are conclusively Chambers' Honda.

Whatever happened to the chat transcripts from last week's chat session with Mr & Mrs Taylor? mona

Response: Due to a file error the transcript is unavailable. Sorry. If someone has a transcript they'd like to send in, we'll be happy to post it.

I think there are several murderers and (incidental?) accessories to the crimes involved in this case, but not all necessarily collaborated with each other in the murder. The Honda was found in several different locations, and the evidence was as well. It seemed that there was more than a couple of individuals involved in the murder of Crystal and Dale.
My Primary List of Suspects include: Dave Woolworth, Christian Chambers, Dale and Jim Taylor.
But these suspects may not have all been in the actual killing of Crystal and Dale, but they may have seen something and care not to testify. Some may have money as their primary motive and may have killed them both for that case. But there are still a few missing pieces of the puzzle which I need to find.
What was Dale involved in? Ego Shovel or a similar organization of the same breed?
Was Jim ever involved with the Ego Shovel or kin organizations?
How close was the relationship between Jim and Crystal? Between Jim and Dale? Were Jim and Dale competing for Crytal's affection?
What is Dave's alibi concerning his car? Does he frequent ST. Peter's Cemetary to know the terrain sufficiently?
What is Christian's biography? What happened in his past? Is he as quiet as he appears?

Det. Spade

Response: We have no evidence to show that either Dale or Jim Taylor are or ever have been involved with Ego Shovel or similar groups. The interviews conducted indicated that there was tension in the relationship between Jim Taylor and both Crystal and Dale. We are confident that Dave would know St. Peter's Cemetery, however, have no reason to put him there at the time of the murders. Christian's biography is posted, interviews with friends and family indicate that he is a quiet person.

Time Line
2/2/98
3:15 am Shane, Crystal and Dale left home to go to bus drop off.
3:30 am Shane drops Crystal and Dale off at bus drop off.
3:30-3:55am Dale kills Crystal
4:00 am Bus arrives
4:00am Pizza man spots Dale running toward Christains house.
4:00am Christain signs off chat with friend without a good bye.
4:00am Mrs Howard and Natalie Waring hear a car leaving Christains house.
4:10am Kristi Dawes arrives at bus stop. No one else their.
4:14 am She boards the bus and looks out window and see Christains car idling behind McDonalds.
4:16am Bus leaves
4:16am Kristi Dawes hears Christain car peel off.
Conclusions:
Dale and Crystal got into another fight. She told him she was not going to skate doubles with him anymore. He knew he had no career without her. He lost it and killed her. Dale ran to Christain's condo and along the way he threw away the knife and jacket in Toby Tubber Creek. That is about the time the Pizza man saw him. When he arrive he told Christain what he had done and asked for Christain's help. Christain had never turned him down in the past so he went with Dale. Upon arriving at the scene and seeing Crystal's dead body he realized he should have refused Dale and called the police. He knew it was too late so he helped Dale put Crystal's body in the car and their belongings. Now from here is just speculation.
Did Christain help bury Crystal?
Did Christain kill Dale?
Why did Christain kill Dale?
Did Dale ask him to or Christain panick at the cemetary and killed Dale?
If Christain did not kill Dale who did?
Hopefully this weeks update will shed some light. I still suspect the father in this case. Maybe Dale called him from Christains and he came to the cemetary and killed Dale?
Who knows only the good folks at crime scene.
I anxiously await their update. Thanks for the good site.
Cdough1292

Response: Good thinking. We hope to get more answers from Chambers. He denies involvement in Crystal's death in a letter written to Kershaw.

It certainly looks now like Christian is responsible, especially with the physical evidence you've found. There is one problem though, you really aren't much further ahead without Christian or a motive. Too many other people have both motives and opportunity and that only adds up to reasonable doubt. Try proving your other suspects didn't murder Crystal and Dale and see how far you can narrow down the field. Nothing is really like it seems, there are only three or four solid facts while the rest of the evidence points in different directions or has more then one meaning. Go with the physical evidence and let everything else work itself out. Conviction registered.

CyberSleutH

Response: Thanks for the thoughts. Physical evidence in this case is stacking up.

Mrs. Howard stated that she hadn't seen the honda much since Christian got the BMW. Did you run a search to see if anyone had borrowed the car or if anyone was given any type of ticket that could be traced back to the borrower if there was one? There has got to be some type of local govt.
agency that can produce these kinds of records.

Response: Chambers has stated he did not lend out his car at that time. We have confirmed to the best of our ability that it was not in a repair shop. If it was in fact loaned out, we haven't uncovered anything to confirm that.

I think the argument in the car on the way to the bus stop was between Crystal and Dale about her wanting to leave skating and the family. Dale got really hostile and Shane was upset that they were basically taking the money for his music dreams right out of his pocket to do something one of them didn't really want to do. Dale was probably not good enough to compete as a single or even with another partner - Crystal carried them with her talent. I think he was also a member of Ego Shovel - Egyptian influence of their beliefs & his custom made amulet. I think Shane probably dropped them off and left for the farm. But Dale was freaking - seeing his meal ticket trying to flee and called home to get Dad to tell her she had to go to Colorado. Mom most likely had a "red-wine headache" and passed out, so she never knew hubby left the building. Dad drove down to the station before the bus got there. I think when Crystal saw Dad coming along to intimdate her and bully her into staying she probably said something to the effect that now I'm an adult - I'll do what I want - you've ruined me already - I'll tell etc. etc. Obviously, Dale killed his sister. To protect/defend his Dad & himself??? Dad freaked. They called Christian to borrow the extra car to move/bury the body. I think Christian was innocent - saw the body & knew too much maybe. At this point I really wonder who is in the grave. Are we 100% certain it was Dale? or is Dad framing the friend to cover up the fact that he killed his son?
-Nine

Response: Interesting theory. Hopefully Chambers will shed some light on these questions. We are 100% certain it was Dale Taylor in the grave.

1. The mark on the palm of Dales right hand---Was it a scratch? Crystal had his dna under her fingernails! Was it a wound from a knife? Coroner should be able to tell specifically how wound was inflicted.
2. Crystals wounds show that she fought hard for her life. The wounds would have produced alot of blood. Did coroner think that Dales clothes showed that he had the amount of blood on his them to indicate that he could have killed her.
2. Was there any evidence of dna found under Crystals fingernails other than Dales and the test panel of samples they had from other suspects?

Response: The coroner has stated that the wound on Dale's hand was a cutting wound from a knife and that the amount of blood on Dale's clothing was consistent with his being in close proximity to Crystal when she was killed. Dr. Johnson declined to speculate further. No foreign DNA was found in the test samples, more DNA results have been received.

iT IS MY BELIEF THAT THE MURDERER IS JIM TAYLOR. ALTHOUGH HE IS THE SUSPECTS FATHER, HE DIDN'T DO WELL ON THE LIE DETECTOR TEST, AND IN HER DIARY ALL HER NIGHTMARES PORTRAYED THAT OF HER FATHER, AND THE PRESSURE HE PUT ON THE BOTH OF THEM TO BE NUMBER ONE.

Response: We agree it looks like Jim Taylor is hiding information. Thanks for your theory.

I have a few questions still but here are my own theories.
In most incest families the the abuse usually starts with the first child. Which would be shane and then cycles down-ward which would mean dale and then crystal.(she did have anal penetration right) In all that I have read about sexual abuse on young children, usually if the person is focused on just the girl he would just molester her in other ways (vaginally).My point is I think he molested all the children.And then became attached to crystal I think the father has bi-sexual tendancies and has ties with the ego shovel (rohypnol).I would like to see the list of members for ego shovel. and song lyrics.
The father it seems was living his life through his children crystal and dale's (skating) and then shane's (musical).
personally I think the father and the leader of the cult had some part of a cover up, ( and I think had of fear of being caught using drugs on crystal and then raping her )
made their stress tests high.
The night in question I think Shane tipped Dale that Crystal was going to take off with Christen and not come back.He knew it would make him mad enough to kill her. I think dale had and extra key to Christen's honda which would make it very accessable to Shane.The dark car was Shane setting out accross from the bus stop waiting to see what happened between Crystal and Dale. I think Crystal knew Christen was going to parked behind the building , Dale followed her in a rage and stabbed her in the back. Christen the attack and took off. After Dales fit of rage, her took of running which is ( where he was spotted by the runner ) Shane had seen his brother take of running and picked him up they went and loaded Crystal in the back, took her to the cemetary and when Dale had gotten into the grave, Shane had his shotgun ready while Dale was bent over Shane shot him and then burried them. I think Christan is in hiding because he really didn't want to implicate Dale.
Shane had this planned he knew his dad had insurance on them and knew it would be plenty to pay for his music (CD'S), and it made the competition for his fathers attention disappear as well.
I have one other theory you can't ever count out the least suspected person which would be the mom. I think she drank because she knew what her husband was doing and she used the drinking as an escape. While the father was gone that night getting gas where was the mother really? If she has approx. the same build as the male children she could have been and right there. This 2nd theory is based on a book I just read The mother was the only one that wasn't a suspect and come to find out she murdered 2 of her children and cut off part of her hand the reason she did it was because her new husband needed money and she didn't want him to leave (he had no idea). So I'm not counting out the mother This is a great page!!!!!!
thanx speedracer26

Response: Thanks for the thoughts. The abuse investigation is continuing. A list of the Ego Shovel members is available in the Lamar case files. Interesting thoughts on the mother.

Be nice, MDS55. People are just tossing out ideas. "talking out loud" you might say.
Response: All comments are welcome, new lines of investigation can come from tossing out ideas.

For those of you who keep saying that dale killed himself, or that he was killed and then taken to the grave as well you people who think Crystal was killed anyplace other than behind the restuarant. Why don't you actually READ!! the information in this case. You can't shoot yourself in the back of the head with a shot gun.
MDS55

Response: It is true the coroner has ruled out a self inflicted gunshot wound, however, the theory proposed by viewers that it may have been viewed by the shooter as an assisted suicide is an interesting theory.

Maybe after Dale stabbed Crystal he freaked. He ran away and went to Christian because he didn't know where else to go. Then he and Christian went to bury the body. Then, Dale pulled the gun on Christian, made him switch clothes, and shot him in the head so he couldn't be identified. Maybe he got in touch with his father, for money or whatever, and thats why his father scored on the lie detector.

Response: Thanks for the theory. Interesting idea, however, we know that it was Dale Taylor in the grave.

Hello, Maybe it was a murder sucide. Christian found the two of them and panicked. Placed the two of them in his car and disposed of them in the cementry. Realiizing the police might think he did it he took off running.

Response: We hope to get more information from Chambers now that he is in custody.

First, where in the hell did Jeffrey Dahmer come from? I can get over that one though. Okay, if there was evidence of sexual abuse at such an early age, why didn't her doctor report this to authorities? People try to act all concerned and remorseful now that she's dead, but nobody said anything while she was alive. Other than yeast infections, was her mother informed of the torn hymen and internal trauma? God help the countless little girls who have to endure this type of torture in their lives but only get recognized in death. There should have been samples for semen taken the first time the doctor suspected abuse. If a child has to be sedated in order to give her a pelvic exam, then HELLO RED FLAG!!!!! I'm still not really sure what happened on the night of the murders, but a few people in Oxford should feel somewhat responsible for her and Dale's deaths. MzBhaver

Response: Thanks for your comments. We hope that the medical community is more enlightened today.

I believe that Dale killed Crystal after fighting with her. Paniced, then went to Christian for help. The two of them then quarelled and something happened. Either Dale killed himself or Christian did it or maybe even Jim killed Dale.

Response: Thanks for your comments.

I think Dave has some involvement of the murders, but it is not apparent. I think Dale killed Crystal in Christian's Honda, but Christian may have assisted in the murder of Dale but Dave may have known about it (or been around the area.) Let's say that Dale brought Crystal to the burial site at St. Peter's after Christian was held at knifepoint. Christian stopped off, and since his blood was racing, he did not notice an individual behind him, Dave. Dave pointed a shotgun and killed Dale. Christian scared and afraid, seeing 2 murders, and as Dale fell down, the amulet came off as well. Christian took the amulet and sped off in his Honda back home with Dave pursuing not too far behind. When Christian returned home, he was in psychological shock, thinking how he can get rid of the luggage and the other things since he wasn't involved. He threw the luggage and the other evidence in the area(s). The day or so after, he calmed down, but his mind was in total chaos. When the police came, he knew he might be implicated and since he was somewhat cognisant the evidence was stacked against him, he ran away.

Detective Spade

Response: Thanks for the theories, we hope to answer those questions soon.

I found it interesting that Christian possibly did commit one of the murders. He appeared suspicious initially, but since I have not read all the evidence, I cannot make any judgements or assessments right now. However, I do think Dale raped his sister because Crystal told him about her father's remarks regarding her. Crystal, I think, has a strong attachment to her father although she is frightened of Jim and Dale both. Dale is basically a nearly perfect facsimile of his father in that they are both aggressive sexually and physically.

Detective Spade

Response: There do appear to be some similarities reported in behavior of both Dale and his father.

To whom asking about Jeffrey Dahmer:
He was convicted because one guy whose name is Tracy Edwards escaped from Dahmer's appartement and police found him. He was offered money to pose for him. At the time he was with his 2 other friends, only Edwards agreed to go with Dahmer and his friends were gonna go later ( the address Dhamer gave them was false one). Once they were at Dahmer's appartement, he handcuffed Tracy and thretened with a knife. Tracy tried to talk and looked for a chance and when he found it he hit Dahmer and ran away. (Before the other guy tried to escape and found by 2 women who called police. (the victim couldn't talk because he was drugged and was drilled in his head.) The police believed the version of Dahmer (since he was white and 2 women were black) and sent the victim back to Dahmer's appartement.
Good luck for the report!

Response: Thanks.

To whom it may concern: I'm doing an investigations paper for my class and I need some information about Jeffery Dahmer. I need to know the evidence that led him to a conviction.

Response: Thanks to a viewer you have some answers.

I think Christain had a relationship with crystal and Dale found out. He got angry and accidentally killed Crystal in a fight with Christain. Then either he killed himself, or Christian got really pissed and killed him. Then he hid the bodys, because he was Dales friend and didn't want him to be remembered as a murderer.

Response: Thanks for the theory.

I agree with the Rohypnol theory posted earlier.
The father would have given the drug to Crystal as part of a course of vitamins....in the same way the East German coaches used to give athletes growth hormones etc, telling them they were vitamins that would improve their performance. Only Jim Taylor was not out to improve perfomrnace but to molest his daughter.
I think they met through Shane and I'm sure Ego Shovel are set to collect, from Jim, money from the kids' insurance...unless the relevant parties are brought to justice.
The only other possibility is that Shane drugged Crystal so Jim could molest her and Shane could get money for his CD.
Think maybe the mother should be interviewed after she's had a few drinks - I'm sure she knows more than she is telling and that is part of the reason for her problems.
But I don't know how ethical that is in the US police force.

Cheeky1
PS..the actual who did what to whom in the murder scenario is still difficult for me....was it Dad or Dale murdering
Crystal, was it Dad or Dave Woolworth murdering Dale?
Don't think it was Christian...too much evidence points against him, far too much. I have a gut feeling that Dad planted the amulet under Christian's pillow. Nobody keeps something like htat under a pillow in real life , do they?

Response: The idea of drugging Crystal has occurred to us. We haven't found any evidence of rhohypnol in this case to date. Thanks for the comments.

Okay so here's a shot in the dark, so to speak. The Father is sexually abusing Crystal, (we're all agreed I hope) and Dale is aware of the abuse, and seems to be close to the father. Well the father visits Crystal the night before she leaves and Crystal threatens to tell someone. The father is scared but not noticably, he's thinking this out. Okay then what if Dale and Crystal argue about her wanting to go single in skating. Dale is ragin over this quietly when she says somthing to the affect of, " Ill tell what's going on in the house if thats what it takes to stop this." So Dales calls his dad and tells him of Crystal's threat. The father drives over to the Big Star to talk to Crystal. Crystal and him argue so more, the father is freakin. He comes after her and she throws Dale's bag at him. He feels the knife pulls it out Dale tries to help Crystal but to no avail the father stabs her to death in a fit of passionate anger. Dale watched in horror and ran to Crystal hugging her ( Where the blood comes from on Dale). The Father turns to Dale and tells him to go get the car. Dale dashes off in fear overwhelmed by what he has just wittnessed. He runs to Christian's place for help, he sees Christian's shotgun and grabs for it half out of fear half out of anger. He drives back to the Big Star and his father is still standing over the body sobbing reproachfully. Probably say something like, "I'm sorry I'm so sorry." Christain follows Dale, unknown to Dale, and sees the mess and gets truely freaked out. He stands frozen in fear overhearing thefather mumble "She needs to be buried." Christians runs in a panic takes of in the beamer, Dale haveing taken the Honda. But he can't miss the ending of the story so he races to the cemetery where he witnesses Dale covering up the body, sobbing about needing to call the police, the 'father panics again grabs the shotgun and shoots Dale through the head. the father takes off back home where the wife is passed out drunk and never even knew he was gone. Shane was at the dickerson ranch, so he wouldn't be aware of this factor.
Christian climbs into the grave to cry and hug Dale he takes the medallion as a loving momento of his good friend and goes home to scared to say anything. Feeling he could have stopped Dale from dying.
Later with a heavy heart burdened with guilt, he calls the police to help them locate the body.
Hences the investigation.
Eme

Response: Thanks for the theory, lots of detail.

Ok, in light of the new evidence from the rest of the diary and the stress tests, i have a new theory. We all pretty much know that Dale killed Crystal. Now, it seems that Dad did have something to do with it from the stress test. And, Dad is in cahoots with Dave Woolworth. That is proved (to me at least) from the diary where Crystal was talking about the night she woke up and everything was so weird and she thought it was a dream that her dad had gotten into bed with her. What happened was that Dad had gotten some Rohypnol or "date rape" drug from Dave Woolworth. In the Ego Shovel web site it talks about how the Ego Shovel members regularly take the drug. So, Dad uses it on Crystal because he knows that is the only way he can get to her now. I'm not sure about who killed Dale, but I'm sure that Jim Taylor and Dave Wollworth are in on it up to their eyeballs. I don't think Mom is in on it from her stress test...unless she really got liquered up before doing it, which is a possibility. I don't know....
On a different note...I love this site..this is my first case I've been here for and I am really enjoying playing detective. I look forward to future cases to solve.

Response: Interesting thoughts, thanks for the comments.

I can't see why Shane would drive to the bus station via Burger King...not the most direct route. This should be looked into.
Another theory - maybe it wasn't Shane at all but Jim Taylor who dropped them off, and the family is covering up as usual. Jim has bribed Shane with the promise of money to keep quiet.
Also, we need to know where Jim Taylor and Dave Woolworth were at 11pm that night.
cheeky1

Response: Both state they were at home at 11 p.m. on 2/2, Sandra Taylor confirms for Jim Taylor but Woolworth was alone.

the figure skaters were favorites for Nagano, right? So I think Christian is hiding there. Killers have a twisted mentallity

Response: Interesting idea.

If Maggie was Cryatal's best friend since grade school, why wasn't she asked about the abuse. If anyone would know, she's a good bet. What about the grandmother who took her to the doctor? Finally, with all this evidence against her husband, Mrs. Taylor may finally break and tell us what she really knows. Someone such as the abuse expert should reinterview her. Mrs. Taylor is also a victim of her husband.
-Sara
Any ideas about the next case???

Response: Maggie was interviewed about the abuse, she was unable to specifically confirm it. Both the grandmother and Mrs. Taylor continue to claim no knowledge. We haven't wrapped up this case yet so no ideas on the next one at this time.

I think Dale killed Crystal in a fit of rage over her wanting to skate alone. I think Dale has been physically
and mentally abusing Crystal and no one has stopped him so it has just gotten worse. I think that Dale called Christian when he needs to move the body. I also think that
the father is involved in this somehow.
I have a feeling that Christian is also dead. Or is in hiding for fear that he will be killed next.

Response: Thanks for the comments.

We all seem to be in agreement that Dale killed Crystal...that much seems obvious. I thought earlier that Christian killed Dale because Dale wanted to die after killing his sister, but couldn't bring himself to do it. So, he gets Christian to do it. I don't think that anymore. I'm beginning to think that Christian is an innocent bystander here. From the stress tests, it seems that Jim Taylor and Dave Woolworth are in on it somehow. In the newest information released from Crystals diary, it tells of the night she thought was a dream when her dad came into her room and everything looked weird. Seems like Dad had slipped her some Rhohypnol...the "date rape" drug. In the Ego Shovel web site, it talks about how Rhohypnol is the drug of choice for the Shovelers. So, Dad gets drug from Dave...gives to Crystal because without it he can't molest her anymore. As to why Dale was killed...I don't know...need more info. Just thought I'd share my new thoughts with you all, just in case they hadn't already occurred to you.

Response: Very interesting thoughts on drugging Crystal. Thanks for the comments.

Ok here is what i have gotten from this case:
Dale killed his sister in an attempt to cover up years of abuse from their father. Crystal had decided to quit skating and leave the family house because she couldnt take the abuse anymore. Dale knew about it and saw it as a betrayal of his family and his career. He blamed the falls on her and not himself. He convinced her to leave with him and Christian so they could discuss things. Thats why Christian ended his chat so abrutly that evening. He realized the time and had to leave. Dale killed her in a fit of anger over her decison to go solo. Since Christian was there at the time he had no choice but to help out his friend. He was also the one to make the call to the police. His guilt had gotten the better of him. He was also there at the time Dale was killed. The only question I have is why did he kill his friend, maybe Dale threatened him and it was in self defense? He saw leaving, without his precious BMW as his only way out!!! or maybe Shane did the actual killing and Christian fled of ego shovel. Shane could have been the third person to help with the bodies and was trying to blackmail Dale into giving him the money he needed. I dont know for sure.

In any case I LOVE THE SITE!!! It has given me hours of stimulating thought. Keep up the GREAT JOB!!

Response: Thanks for the comments, it does appear that Crystal was intent on leaving skating. When we can question Chambers we hope we will get some answers, self defense is an interesting theory.

This has been so far a very interesting case. I hope justice is done for Crystal who has been a victim so many times. As i looked over the lie detector tests...I noticed that Shane, his mother and dave seemed to have passed this test, BUT Mr. Taylor was in the 11-12 range which according to the test is a sign of dishonesty. I still believe Mr. Taylor was somehow involved with the death of his children. The scenerio i have goes something like this...I think Dale killed Crystal because of her plans she had for Colorado. I think but am not positive that Christian helped Dale with this. Then maybe DAle got scared and called Mr. Taylor and admitted what he had done. Mr Taylor agreed to help Dale cover up what happened and after Dale told him about Christian"s involvement Mr. Taylor killed Dale. I also think that Christian will not be found alive.....I think Mr. Taylor murdered him for knowing too much and maybe even planted evidence in Christian's car so it would look like Christian committed the murders and maybe then committed suicide?? I could be way off...and maybe Mr. Taylors test came out the way it did because of his guilt in molesting his daughter but he still should pay for what he did to Crystal in any case. Although she is no longer with us, she deserves to have justice done for her. Thank you.

Starjury

Response: We want to see justice done as well. Thanks for the comments.

What's wrong with this picture....Christian's shotgun, and no prints on it. Yet it has been fired and not cleaned...Plus parts of his car appear to be wiped clean too, yet there was evidence showing that Crystal's body had been in the hatch area....Sound's like Christian may have had some other company that night other than Crystal and Dale. My opinion is that Christian isn't going to be found alive.
~~~kaddi

Response: We want to find to Chambers and hope he can provide some answers.

I've been saying all along that dale killed crystal, then ran to christian for help. I also have continued to believe that ego shovel played a part in dale's death too, and this weeks evidence helps to reconfirm my belief that ego shovel had a hand in this. Take the voice stress tests. Only Mr. Taylor and Dave Woodward recorded high levels of stress, and I attribute Mr. Taylor's stress level to the fact that he abused crystal. But why would dave woodward have any kind of a high stress level reading at all concerning this case unless he had a part in it? I still think you oughta be checking out ego shovel a little closer. Also, the phone call saying that there's a grave big enough for 2 to skate in, sounds like something wacky dave woodward might say.

But more importantly, detective nelson, for what that creep jim taylor did to crystal, would you mind lending me that murder knife after this case is closed so I can do a Lorena Bobbit on him?

Please????? mona

Response: We agree that the stress tests have interesting results that require more investigation. The investigation into abuse allegations is continuing.

this may seem a little far fetched...but oh well. I read the first part of Crystals diary again and the part where she said that she told Shane about Colorado. She says that he looks like he feels sorry for her sometimes. And this was said right after the money was mentioned. Who did he owe this money too?? Is it possible that this money is what got Crystal and Dale killed? Could Shane have owed Christian some money. That would give Christian motive. Christian may have killed decided to kill crytal and asked Dale to help him.Dale figured that this would be his chance to the center of attention if she was dead. So when Shane dropped the two off at the bus and left. Dale talked Crystal into walking away from everyone else. Then Dale and Shane kidnapped Crystal. Together they killed her. Maybe Dale relized what he did and got scared of his father. So Christain killed him to make sure he didn't tell. I think that Shane knows what happened and why it happened.

Response: Thanks for your comments.

Something is fishy here! It seems to me that Christian had both the means and the opportunity in this case. But what is the motive??? The forensic evidence seems to be stacking up against him. but at this time I see no convincing motive for him to kill his friend. Is there any way to confirm that Christian didn't loan the Honda to anyone?

Response: Agree, the forensic evidence does seem to be pointing to Chambers. We'd like to question him. No one has come forward with any information to indicate that the Honda was loaned to anyone at that time.

You know, with all this voice analysis going on, you would think any Sherrif's Deaprtment worth a hill of beans would check for voiceprint matches to the recording of the phone call from earlier in the investigation...

Just a thought.

Response: Voice samples began to be collected after the phone call. As of March 3 the Taylor family had been eliminated. To date all suspects with the exception of Chambers have been eliminated. See the case summary reports for this information.