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Monday, December 1, 1997
Guest:  Robert Gilbert, Developer of Dickerson Business Park
 
Opening Remarks:
 
Good evening.  I'd like to start off tonight by clearing my name of 
this whole mess.  I had no idea about this dumping business.  I am 
outraged by the whole affair!  I feel like I've been victimized, and 
have a very hard time believing that Chambeau knew anything 
about this.  I've been trying to get a hold of him for days now, but 
he's out of town so all I've been able to do is leave message after 
message!  What makes me the most outraged over all this 
hooplah, is that I went into this partnership with the intent of 
developing a business park.  I still want to do that!  But with all 
this nonsense about the dumping, I may not even get to do this 
project!  I have a lot of my time and money invested in this 
project, I stand to lose a lot if this continues.  This has put a real 
strain on me.  I mean, what if they put this on hold indefinitely 
and I never get to do the park?  I'll be out of a lot of money here!
 
I'm sorry.  I don't mean to be so rude.  But this is very irritating 
for me.  I can't help but be angry about this, especially when I had 
nothing to do with it.  If you ask me, it's a conspiracy and 
everyone is in on it.  I want another agency to look into these 
supposed findings that Oxford Green reported.  I don't believe that 
their test results are valid, and I want someone else to test the soil.  
But I have to get a hold of Chambeau on that because he owns the 
land and he has to make the final decision on that.  I've tried 
getting a hold of him, but unfortunately he's out of town.  All, I've 
been able to do is leave message after message.  Anyway, I'm 
sorry to have rambled like this, but I am very angry over the 
whole mess.
 
If I can answer questions now.
 
Question and Answer session:
 
Q:  How come you didn't see the barrels on the property?
A:  Well, I don't own the property myself.  Chambeau owns the 
property.  I just want to develop on his land.  I have plans for a 
business park in that locale.  It wasn't like that when I first looked 
at the property, anyway.  Aside, from that, I've had other projects 
I've been working on, so I hadn't been out there in a while.  I 
didn't feel I needed to.
 
Q:  How did you meet Chambeau and who introduced you to 
him?
A:  Chambeau owns a lot of the property out here, and he heard 
about a project I was working on developing.  This business park 
I'm working on.  We'd seen each other at some functions in town, 
and he heard about the plans through some people.  So he 
approached me on it.
 
Q:  What other projects did/do you share with  Chambeau?
A:  Well, I am working on the Wal Mart project with him, but that 
was pretty much it at the moment.
 
Q:  Did you approach A&A Detective Agency with your 
problem?
A:  No, I hadn't.  I didn't know of any problems until the Oxford 
Green got involved, and they hired A&A.  I haven't had anything 
to do with any of the investigations.  I didn't even know about the 
dumping until recently.
 
Q:  Does Chambeau own any of the following properties?  Nite 
Kap, Moonlight Cafe, or Willards?
A:  I'm not really sure who owns those properties...he might.
 
Q:  What typewriters might you have at home and in your office?
A:  I don't have a typewriter at home.  I have an HP Pavillion.  As 
for the office...I think we have a word processor, but I don't use it, 
my secretary does.
 
Q:  Who is in charge of Oxford Green and what would they have 
to gain by polluting the project?
A:  I have a hunch that the person has it in for Chambeau, and 
wants to see our project destroyed.  I'm not even sure Oxford 
Green was involved with the dumping...I think that possibly 
someone else did the dumping and called them in on it to check it 
out.  I mean, they are just an environmental agency.  I don't think 
they'd really have anything to gain.  I think it's outside the agency.  
Some other land developer or owner who doesn't like Chambeau 
or something.  But I think they did the dumping and then called in 
the Agency.  The whole thing smells of conspiracy.  I think 
people are being paid off, and I'm talking higher ups...like 
politicians and government employees.  Something weird is going 
on here.  I'm not even sure the test results that the Oxford Green 
came up with are even substantial.  I want other people...outside 
people to come in and check this all out.
 
Q:  Does it seem like someone was trying to prevent your 
obtaining the EIR?
A:  Yes!  I have been putting up with delays for months now.  
That's why I've been doing smaller projects in my spare time.  I've 
got a lot invested here, and every time I turn around they are 
delaying the Report.  That's why I'm convinced that there are 
people being bought off...people in the local government seem to 
know more than they are saying about this whole mess.
 
Q:  Who have you told of your suspicions?  Do you think 
anybody could've been eavesdropping?
A:  I haven't told anyone really.  I wanted to discuss it with 
Chambeau when all this came about.  But I can't get a hold of him 
because he's out of town.  I've been frantic over the whole thing.  
I've left like fifteen messages for him.
 
Q:  What was the name of the environmental engineer who "up 
and quit", and where is he/she these days?
A:  There's a lawsuit pending and I can't really discuss the details 
on that.
 
Q:  Are you aware that Chambeau owned property in Emelle Al 
that was also a toxic waste dump?
A:  No, I was not.  That is something that I will have to discuss 
with him.  This whole thing is a disaster and there is something 
fishy about the whole affair.  I need to talk to him to clear up 
some things.  I just wish he were in town to discuss this fiasco 
with.
 
Q:  Was there conflict between you and Chambeau because you 
supported Lamar for Sheriff while he supported Mazza?
A:  Well, we had our political differences, but we never discussed 
it.  I didn't even know that he was supporting Mazza.  He and I 
have gotten along very well.
 
Q:  Is Senator Ivey (backer of Mazza) connected with any 
committees having to do with haz mat disposal, maybe looking 
for a no-questions locale for dumping?
A:  I'm not really sure to be honest with you.  But I'm sure with 
the way things have been going for A&A and Oxford Green you 
could end up with that answer in just a few days.
 
Q:  How much money did you stand to loose and how much 
money did Chambeau have to gain if project failed?
A:  I have my accountants working on that right now, but with the 
way things are going I may just go under soon!  <shaking head 
angrily>  This is totally outrageous for me!  The legal allegations 
are even worse than the money situation!  I mean I think we've 
been had!!!!! The whole thing doesn't sit right!  I didn't have 
ANYTHING do with this.  NOTHING!
 
Q:  How long has Chambeau been on vacation?
A:  Chambeau's been gone since before the holidays.  I've been 
trying to get in touch with him since all of this Oxford Green 
information came out.  I keep leaving messages, but I keep 
missing him.  I expect to hear from him really soon!  I'm sure he's 
just as angry over this whole disaster as I am.  Although, to be 
honest, I think that he should've already gotten in touch with me.  
It's driving me crazy that he hasn't gotten back to me, and he's got 
money invested too.  I know that I called him first thing when all 
this broke out, and he STILL hasn't gotten back to me.
 
Q:  When you finally do get to talk to Chambeau,  please...be a 
boyscout and secretly tape your  conversations!
A:  I just might do that.
 
Q:  Have you ever seen Hal Harberson; if so, in what context?
A:  No, I've never seen the man.  Look, I'm stressing out really 
big here.  I don't really like to come unglued like that.  So, if you 
don't mind, if I just step out and take a breather, Mickey?
 
Mickey:  Not at all.  I think we can let you go for the night, Mr. 
Gilbert.  Thank you for being here.
 
Announcement:  Considering all the incoming reports on Mr. 
Chambeau, we are promoting TV spots on Macy's disappearance 
to be run over a 7 state area in locations where Chambeau may 
have property.  The Tip Line will be expanded and we are adding 
staff to handle the expected incoming calls.  We hope that Macy 
can be recovered.  We are afraid that now that the Sheriff is no 
longer alive she might be less valuable to possible kidnappers, for 
whatever reason.  Watch for more updates and any breaking news.
 
Tuesday, December 2, 1997
Guest:  David Anderson, Armstrong & Anderson Investigations
 
Opening Remarks:
 
Evening everyone!  Good to be back!  How are you all?
 
I'm here tonight to let you all in on the latest developments at 
A&A Investigations.  We've sent the test results taken of the soil 
samples from the Dickerson Farm to the EPA.  The EPA plans to 
send out their own field crew to test the site during the week of 
the 15th.  There is a lawsuit pending, but the EPA won't institute 
it until after they've completed their own testing.
 
I'm sorry to say that Armstrong won't be here tonight.  He had 
some work he wanted to finish up on, so it'll just be me tonight.  
He sends his regards to you all though.
 
Question and Answer session:
 
Q:  What is the lawsuit and who is it against?
A:  I believe EPA related lawsuits like this are handled by fencing 
off the property and suing the owner for clean up costs.  But until 
they do their testing, the EPA will just be compiling data.  At least 
that's how I understand these things to work.
 
Q:  Has the toxic waste dumped been cleaned up and do you 
know who was responsible for dumping it in the first place?
A:  Well, they can't clean it up until there has been a full 
investigation.  The EPA needs to see the results first before it can 
even be determined as toxic, a crew will be sent to test the site.  
Usually these sort of lawsuits sue the owner of the property for 
the expenses of cleaning up the property plus additional damages 
and fines.  The first step is to be certain of what's been dumped.
 
Q:  Has a list been prepared on Chambeau's holdings?  If yes 
when will it be posted to your site?
A:  We're still compiling a list.  We're trying to put it together as 
fast as we can.  The only thing is, we don't know the full legalities 
of posting the list, so when we get the list together we'll have to 
check into that before we can post anything.  It might take a while 
if we can even post it legally.
 
Q:  Are you going to investigate Chambeau's other properties to 
determine if they're a dump too?
A:  We only look into what we are being paid to investigate.  
Oxford Green would probably only pay us to look into properties 
in and around Oxford.
 
Q:  C/S Disposal are the dumpers, Chambeau is the property 
owner...any idea who the chemical manufacturers are?
A:  Not yet.  We're looking into it, but we haven't found any 
names yet.  When we get concrete evidence, you'll all know.
 
Q:  Who is behind Oxford Green, is there a president and list of 
members anywhere?
A:  It's an environmental group here in Oxford, but that's all I can 
tell you.  Client confidentiality.  I can't give out the names of the 
people I work for. It's a part of the company policy and state 
licensing that we cannot reveal  our client's name/names.  I am not 
at liberty to discuss anything about them.  (NOTE:  Oxford Green 
is a local environmentalist group, the Director is Donald Wallace 
who has spoken in Crime Scene chat before.  His presentation is 
available on the A & A Investigations web page.)
 
Q:  This may have been asked and answered but, have you found 
any connection between the dumping site and Chuck Lamar?
A:  None that we have found, no.
 
Q:  Have you interviewed anybody dealing with C/S?
A:  Who would you go about interviewing?  I mean employees?  
Who?  So far as we can tell, only reputable companies have used 
them for disposal.  We haven't gotten a hold of anyone who 
knows anything about this case, no.
 
Q:  Have you had opportunity to speak with Chambeau, Gilbert or 
Harberson about the case?
A:  We've talked with Gilbert...he doesn't know anything, and 
Chambeau is away, we haven't been able to reach him.
 
Q:  Dave do you know if there have been any sightings of Macy 
Lamar and if she knows her Dad is dead?
A:  I haven't heard anything, but I'm not working on that case.  
That's a question for Nelson, I'm sure.
 
Q:  Is this the first time Chambeau has been a suspect in a case?
A:  W don't have any documents on that.  Though we have a 
contact at the Sheriff's office that might be able to provide us with 
some of the documentation on whether there have been past cases 
or charges against Chambeau.
 
Q:  Have you found any evidence that Chuck Lamar was involved 
in business dealings with Chambeau or Gilbert?
A:  No, we haven't found any actual connections to Lamar and 
Chambeau/Gilbert, but I suspect that there is a connection there 
somewhere.  We just haven't got anything substantial or concrete 
on it.
 
Q:  Do you have any information on who owns C/S?
A:  No, we don't but we suspect the answer is hidden in many of 
the files and dealings between Chambeau and C/S.  Maybe even 
in files of different deals between C/S and dumping corporations.  
It's all in the paper work.  We just have to find it.  (Note:  C/S 
Disposal, Inc. ownership has subsequently been posted to the A & 
A Investigations web page.)
 
Q:  Does Chambeau have an e-mail address, maybe you could try 
e-mailing him?
A:  Chambeau has an e-mail, but just like the phone calls we've 
made, he's not responding.  We've left messages at his home, his 
office, and e-mail.  As many places as we can hope to get an 
answer from.  He's just not giving any response.
 
Q:  Are there any other entrances to Dickerson property?
A:  Yes, there's a back entrance, but I've not been there.  I've only 
heard about it from Armstrong.  He's seen it.
 
Q:  Could you tell us if you think there was foul play involved in 
the Sheriff's death?
A:  Personally?  I think that it's too coincidental...and there are 
just too many things that don't add up about Lamar's death.  I 
don't really know how they are connected, but I think that they 
are...But that's just a personal opinion.
 
Q:  Do you think that Macy will ever be recovered?
A:  I'm not really sure, to be honest.  I believe she's alive.  So I 
think that there is a good chance of getting her back.
 
Q:  Have you found out anything about Chambeau's recent 
whereabouts?
A:  All we know of Chambeau's whereabouts is that he is not in 
Oxford.  The guy up and disappeared.  He's out of reach of phone 
calls...and people it seems.
 
Q:  Any idea at all how long the chemicals have been on the site?
A:  We're looking into findings on that.  We haven't gotten any 
actual dates, but we know that the farm wasn't contaminated 
before Chambeau owned the property.
 
Well, I have to be running.  I have a meeting with Armstrong in a 
few.  You all have a good night!
 
Wednesday, December 3, 1997
Guest:  FBI Special Agent Donna Hillman
 
Note:  Tonight's chat was interrupted with connection problems.  
Elizabeth Jones, Information Officer for the Yoknapatawpha 
County Sheriff's Office presented from Agent Hillman's report at 
those times she was unable to maintain a connection.
 
Opening Remarks:
 
EJ:  This is a report from the FBI, from Agent Donna Hillman on 
the incident November 20 in Memphis.  Our guest for tonight, 
Agent Donna Hillman is having a hard time staying on-line 
tonight so I am going ahead and as she is able to join in that'll be 
great.
 
Agent Hillman:  Good evening ladies and gentlemen.  It's a rough 
night here for me, the ISP here is giving me all sorts of problems.  
EJ, did you get my fax on the Memphis incident?  Perhaps you 
can go ahead if I am unable to stay connected.
 
Thank you.
 
As you know, I'm heading an investigation into the abduction of 
Macy Lamar.  We are officially classifying it as an abduction, and 
we are certain that she was seen in Memphis.  I conducted an 
interview with Ms. Cousins, and she is a very reliable witness.  
She positively identified Macy at the apartment complex on 
November 20th.
 
We have searched the apartment and there is physical evidence to 
prove that Macy was indeed there.  These leads may be valuable 
if we can make an arrest, but we didn't find anything that could 
generate any present whereabouts.  All we have to go on is the 
media campaign to help us along in our search.
 
At this time, I will take your questions.
 
Question and Answer session:
 
Q:  Let's start with the first one on the specific evidence found in 
the apartment.
A:  The search and lab report on the apartment did produce 
identifiable latent prints.  We have confirmed that Macy Lamar 
was actually in the apartment from these prints.  We also have an 
unidentified index finger and thumb print from the apartment.  
However there were no traces of blood or other substances in the 
unit.  We didn't find any other physical evidence, but we do have 
evidence that people were in that apartment other than prints.  
Such as food in the refrigerator, soap and toiletries were found in 
the bathroom, we found fiber samples in the various furnishings, 
but nothing that we can determine as having any consequence to 
the case at this time.
 
Q:  Just what was so unusual about the apartment complex?  Its 
ownership, maybe?  Who owns the apartment complex where 
Macy was seen?
A:  The apartment complex is pretty standard.  Neptune 
apartments is a 48 unit garden apartment complex.  Two units are 
set aside for management purposes. Of the remaining 46 units, 
eight of the units are vacant.  Building A in which the apartment 
in question is located has 3 vacancies.  The complex is primarily 
composed of elderly and retired persons.  The owner is Mr. 
Andriotti, who could not be reached for questions because he is 
out of the town at the moment.  We believe he may be at his home 
on Grand Cayman.
 
Q:  Agent Hillman, what was the unusual element then?
A:  The fact that Andriotti has a place in Grand Cayman.  The 
Caymans are known for money laundering.  I find it odd that the 
apartment complex Macy was spotted at is owned by a man who 
lives most of the year in an area that is known for laundering.
 
Q:  Did anything pan out with the Tip Line "Macy sighting" in 
Hamilton, Alabama?
A:  Well, I plan on investigating that after we've totally finished 
with what we've found in Memphis.  I plan to investigate that tip 
and any sightings that come in one at a time and go down the line 
with them.  We may find a pattern to the sightings.
 
Q:  Have you compiled a list of the residents of the apartments?
A:  Yes, we've compiled a list and interviewed everyone in the 
complex.  Many reported seeing the lights on and off in the 
apartment and seeing a black car.  Though none of them noted the 
make or the license plate.
 
Q:  Since the ransom note referred to the card games I was 
wondering if the owners of the bars where cards were played had 
been questioned again or maybe the players?
A:  That investigation is in the local jurisdiction of the Sheriff's 
office.  They will be following up on that lead.
 
At this point Elizabeth Jones took over for Agent Hillman due to 
technical difficulties staying on line.
 
Q: Agent Hillman, ever heard of the missing children trust that 
owns the Road House?
A:  The FBI is not currently involved in those bars investigations, 
but we will verify that for you.
 
Q:  Is there any evidence showing that ChildTrust actually helps 
families of missing kids?
A:  On ChildTrust, that one is one I'll have to check out.  I was 
not personally aware of them.
 
Q:  How much information have you gather on Andriotti?  Is he 
just a landlord or does he have other businesses?
A:  Andriotti and the Chambeau connection, there is more in this 
report.  Andriotti owns Jordan Properties which is the owner of 
the Neptune apartments.  The apartments are managed by Manor 
Realty which is in turn owned by Jordan.  The property manager 
is Denise Castile she was interviewed and has tied Chambeau to 
Andriotti.  She said that they were acquainted and that she has 
met him (Chambeau).  He has been there, the last time was in 
March of this year, she has had no contact with Chambeau since 
that visit.  It seems that Andriotti and Chambeau both went to 
Tulane.
 
Q:  Do you think Castile could've helped Chambeau with 
Dickerson?
A:  There is nothing in this report that relates to or addresses 
Dickerson.
 
Q:  What other information gathering does the FBI have to do in 
Memphis before checking out Hamilton?
A:  I think this report is all and they are finished there.  The whole 
purpose of the media blitz was to bring in ads for more leads.  
Donna has explicitly stated that they (FBI) are feeling that time is 
running out and is one of the justifications for that media blitz.
 
EJ:  I have the list of the most recent sightings she gave me and 
the point in the report here is that they may show a pattern so the 
order is important.  It goes like this:  Tuscaloosa, AL, Knoxville, 
AL, Jackson MS, Athens, AL, Lewisburg, TN, Shelbyville TN.  
There are several calls from Jackson and several from Shelbyville. 
These are all since Thanksgiving.
 
Q:  Is the FBI investigating the ransom letter?
A:  They have it now, I believe.
 
Q:  Is the FBI working with Detective Nelson?
A:  Yes.  There is communication between the Sheriff's 
Department and the FBI on the Macy Lamar case.
 
Q:  Has the department had any chance at all to speak with 
Chambeau?
A:  Yes.  The FBI has had contact.  What it says in this report is 
that he has been interviewed and, unfortunately, the conclusion is 
nothing really.  So far there is insufficient evidence to tie him 
directly to any specific crime and that he continues to deny all 
knowledge of anything brought out to him.
 
Another fact on the Memphis apartment it was not rented.  The 
manager, Denise Castile, says it was supposed to be empty.
 
Q:  Has Aimee's house been searched for evidence?
A:  Aimee's house has not had an official warrant issued.  It's been 
a frustration as there has been insufficient cause to issue a 
warrant.
 

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