| Lamar Case | Interviews | Evidence | Biographies | Press | Join | Home |

Monday, November 17, 1997 Guest: Michelle Boyers   Opening Remarks:   I've followed this case for a few weeks. I know Aimee and I used to date some cops. So--I want to say that people sometimes don't come across well on this site. The pictures of Aimee made her hideous. I wonder if they did that on purpose? The new video of her is more flattering.   Anyway, here I am, ready to give you whatever scoop I can give, mostly I can tell some about Aimee.   Question and Answer Session:   Q: How do you know Aimee? Where do you work? Do you know Chambeau and/or Gilbert? A: We're friends--good friends. We worked together at a video store once. I work for an accountant as an assistant. No, I don't know any Chambeau.   Q: Has Aimee ever cheated on men before? A: She dated rarely but seriously. She wouldn't cheat.   Q: How many "cops" have you and Aimee dated on the force? A: I dated two, and one fireman. Not many bachelors around here as cute. Aimee was looking for a doctor or something, no cops.   Q: What is the name of the accountant you work for? A: Its Calloway and Associates.   Q: Simple question, Michelle... where are you from? A: I'm a Mississippi blossom, grew up near Tula. My parents raised fine cotton and they now work in Italy-where the best plants grow.   Q: Does Calloway & Assoc. (or you) have any connection with Holliston (lawyers Aimee worked for) or Mazza? A: I would bet they do. All the money in this town stay together, but, that�s out of my league. To answer, no, not that I know of.   Q: If Aimee didn't want to date cops then why have an affair with the Sheriff? A: Aimee was working with the Sheriff, I didn�t get the feeling they were close. She'd have told me.   Q: Is your hometown where you met Aimee? Is that her hometown as well? If not, why was she there? A: I met her here in Oxford.   Q: When did Aimee first tell you she was "involved" with the Sheriff? A: I knew they became friends right after it happened, after the break-in a few months ago.   Q: Who are you and Aimee dating now? A: Aimee isn't dating. I'm engaged. He�s an engineer, Brad Thomas.   Q: If Aimee was not dating the Sheriff, then how would you describe their relationship and behavior? A: They were partners in something. They had some plan that he was helping her with, or she was helping him with. What, she wouldn't say. He was just a sweet old guy to her.   Q: Did Aimee ever express any feelings about Macy's disappearance? A: We both thought it was awful. There was an abduction here three years ago. An eight year old taken from the school yard. Really hushed up. Now they have tall fences and fancy locks. The kid was found--but they never found the guy.   Q: You must not be close friends, if she admits to a sexual relationship, and you keep saying "friends". A: I won't deny they may have had sex once or twice. That�s not dating.   Q: What type of engineer is Brad, and who does he work for? A: Brad does landscape engineering, irrigation and that stuff. He has his own business.   Q: Would Aimee have plotted with the Sheriff to kidnap his daughter, and boost the election for him? A: Aimee would help hurt a child? NO.   Q: Has Brad been contracted by Gilbert on wetlands management for the Dickerson (office complex) project? A: If they haven't contacted him--he got a hold of them, he's ambitious.   Q: Is Aimee still in Oxford? A: Yes, she is still here.   Q: Did Brad have anything to do with the Environmental Impact study on the Dickerson property? A: No, he just plants the pipes--he doesn't do paperwork.   Q: How long have you known Aimee? And would you say the two of you are "best friends"? A: Two years. We are very close. I have few friends I'd trust as much.   Q: Does Aimee agree with your being interviewed in this forum today, especially with questions concerning her? A: They pay me for this--and I'm buying her dinner. She doesn't care.   Q: Do you or Aimee know any of the men that got busted for gambling this weekend? A: You won't believe this--I was there just the day before the bust. Just playing pool. I don't gamble. But still--that was close. I suppose I knew some to look at, not by name.   Q: Is Brad certified to be an acceptable expert for an Environmental Impact Study? A: I think so. He has a bachelors degree. That ought to qualify him.   Q: Did you and Aimee discussed your interview before you came on tonight? A: Some. She didn't tell me what to say. In fact-she said its ok to spice it up-for fun. I didn't though--spice it up.   Q: Did Aimee ever talk to you about the Sheriff's missing daughter? If so, how did she act when talking about it? A: She thought it was awful. It made her well up anytime it was on the TV, or when they put the big poster on the Hoka Theatre. The whole town feels bad over it.   Q: Is Aimee enjoying all of the attention she is getting? A: She is. She loves it. Someone from a talent agency called after seeing her video interview.   Q: Does your job cover your living expenses, or do you *supplement* it? A: I do fine with my salary--even save some.   Q: Do you or Aimee know Mr. Gilbert? A: No. Is he from the card room?   Q: Did Aimee ever express any sense of danger for herself ? A: Not till now. She feels watched now--and she probably is.   Q: How many boyfriends has Aimee had before Sheriff Lamar? A: She dated a few guys steady since I've known her--two.   Q: Does Aimee still plan on leaving town or has she decided to stay for more publicity? A: She may go to Hollywood, according to the agent, or maybe NYC.   Q: Who were the two guys before Sheriff Lamar? A: he dated a med student and a new lawyer out of Memphis. Lee was the med and Rudy was the lawyer.   Q: Tell me more about Rudy the lawyer out of Memphis. Did he refer Aimee to Chambeau, perhaps? A: Rudy was some 1st year lawyer--he moved away. They met at a football game. He was cute and funny. Didn't drive a nice car though. Aimee had to drive to Memphis a lot.   Q: What two policemen did you date? When did you date them? A: I dated one for most of the summer this year, Andy Grayson. Then I met Brad. The other, Jim Higgins, was about a year ago. We dated for a few weeks.   Q: Is Aimee the type to be interested in what a man has to offer in material things? A: Yes, she is.   Q: When exactly did you meet Brad? A: I met him a year ago-we've been close. We started to get serious in August.   Q: Has Aimee ever been in trouble with the law before? A: Never-no tickets even.   Q: So would you say that Aimee was having relations with the Sheriff for material gain? A: I don't think the Sheriff had too much money.   Q: How exactly did you meet Brad, and what brought the two of you back together? A: We met at the Gin, a local bar. We got together after a bit of depression I had, he was there for me.   Q: Did Aimee get fired from her last job? If yes, why? A: Aimee doesn't get fired-she quits.   Q: Has Aimee been in trouble in any of her jobs? A: She quit lots of jobs--just hasn't found one she likes.   Tuesday, November 18, 1997 Guests: David Anderson & Ted Armstrong   Opening Remarks:   Well, where to start? We aren't investigators on the Lamar case. And we aren't cops. But we are into some things that are pretty interesting, Chambeau and his land deals among them. He is a parasite. And--if you watch our web site, you may see some surprises. There are some that say Chambeau bought this state and if you look at what he owns you might agree. But, he also owns the state in that old fashioned way. Money buys elections and I can tell you he�s bought a few.   Before I answer questions, let me address one issue. The reason we left the force. I have been frustrated in my efforts to prosecute Chambeau. It�s either the courts, lawyers, minor fines or dummy corporations. We couldn't get real evidence. But, working as we do, we are "unfettered" and have more freedom to pursue leads. What I mean is PIs don't have to give anyone their rights. We look for the truth and lets the chips fall where they may.   I went on too long like usual. It�s nice to be back, I've missed you all.   Question and Answer Session:   Q: What is the real reason the environmental engineer "up and quit" the Dickerson project? A: From what our engineers tell us, its an unsound project. Perhaps the man quit because of that.   Q: Does Chambeau run the gambling in Oxford or front the money? A: But the money could be from him--yes there are rumors that run the gamut. Most rumors come from fact.   Q: Is there anything new on the Macy Lamar case? Did you find anything interesting? A: No. I don't get into the file anymore. I think a lot of hope is gone.   Q: Can you name citizens in Oxford Green, and was Macy a member? A: No she wasn't although there are many HS kids involved. She may have bought a t-shirt or something, but she wasn't a member. As for membership, I'm not that involved.   Q: Did Chambeau buy Mazza's or Lamar's election? A: Looking into that possibility - Chambeau did donate money to both. Rumors are he is somehow involved. That environmental impact statement was an issue. Chambeau may have been looking for help in moving the environmental impact statement along. The proof will be on our site.   Q: Have you guys, by chance, found any interesting "connections" between Chambeau and Sheriff Lamar or Aimee? A: Would it be a connection if Chambeau was involved in gambling and the Sheriff liked his poker? First step is placing Chambeau into the gambling scene.   Q: Have you checked behind the scenes at Oxford Mall (behind the boarded up areas) and perhaps found some interesting evidence against Chambeau? A: Chambeau owns that area. Its all boggy, a small neighborhood of sharecropper shacks, even a little cemetery. Haven�t been in the Mall, no.   Q: Why did you say Chambeau was a parasite and have you posted his list of land holdings on your site? A: A list would be an interesting read. I say he is a parasite because he doesn't earn his money. Charges poor people to live in filth. Creates leasing deals with political pals-to make himself rich. As for a list--we are working on compiling a specific list of holdings -- it's complicated by the fact that there are many interrelated companies and they all need to be traced to see if they link to Chambeau.   Q: Did you check the mall at all and if so, did you find anything in the construction area? Anything at all? Even the most insignificant detail? A: I'm not looking at the mall. Although I will now.   Q: Since you are in private business now - has someone hired you to investigate Chambeau? A: Yes--Oxford Green and some private persons relating to the Dickerson site in particular.   Q: Does Gilbert lose his shirt to Chambeau if he can't get environmental okay? A: They all stand to lose, yes.   Q: Are all the sharecropper shacks behind the mall inhabited? A: Most are, yes. I've been through there, Macy isn't there.   Q: Those private persons who hired you, does that include anyone pertaining to Macy's case? A: If Macy's mother hired me or tried to, I couldn't tell you about it.   Q: Is the Dickerson project the same site as the proposed Walmart site? A: It�s going to house a service facility of some sort. He�s been vague in the purpose and that�s why we want the impact statement.   Q: Where's the Dickerson project in relation to the place where Sheriff Lamar died? A: Maybe a mile or so away, different roads.   Q: My map says it is more like 7 miles or 10. A: No--as the crow flies--its a mile or so. Anderson says more.   Q: Was the Dickerson project in the direction the Sheriff was headed when he crashed? Is it also on Pea Ridge Road? A: Highway 334 runs near highway 7. 334 is where Dickerson is, 7 is where the crash was.   Q: Are you investigating anything else besides the Dickerson project? The Aimee Harberson theory or something? A: No--just this for now.   Q: Have you had any other cases at all besides this one? A: This is the first to pay the rent. We tracked some deadbeats and collected some liens, not what we started for.   Q: Who is paying you to investigate Chambeau? A: Oxford Green--and some local citizens.   Wednesday, November 19, 1997 Guest: Jeff Calloway Jackson Crime Lab Expert in Accident Reconstruction   Opening Remarks:   How are y'all doing? It�s a real nice evening here. Lets start with the map. The map is numbered 1 through 4.   Item 4: This indicates where the car came to rest. As you can see it left the road during a turn. Item 3: This, in my opinion, is where the second car made contact with Lamar. We have paint on Lamar�s vehicle, but no skid marks from a second vehicle. Item 2: This is the point of attack. This indicates when the second car pulled along the Sheriff, possibly ramming him from behind, damage to the rear of his vehicle is minor, but there are unexplained scrapes. Item 1: Indicates when the second vehicle may have been close enough to be viewed and identified. You'll notice in the video we gave a make and model. Among the possibilities are the vehicle depicted, a white Ford F150 pickup. We have taken samples from cars in the county lots, personal and public vehicles. The video was created using the evidence at the scene.   Perhaps its time for questions now?   Question and Answer Session:   Q: The photo shows a curve, but no curve at 1.2 mile point, the curve is at the 1.8 mile point. A: I suppose the difference is in where you measure it. We used a county road crew map. It�s the official map, authorized by the Highway Department.   Q: Have construction vehicles been checked also? A: Construction vehicles? Yes, in the county facility, we checked everything. We haven't been to construction sites, is that what you mean? A: Yes.   Q: What does Chambeau drive, and Brad (boyfriend to Michele Boyers), who is begging for business? A: He has a dark American car for his personal use. But he has many business vehicles. We'll be going through them. The process has begun. I don't know what the boyfriend drives.   Q: Was anything unusual found on the car? A: Nothing out of the ordinary was in the car.   Q: The first person on the scene said there was no other vehicle on the road. Was she/he in a position to see the proposed vehicle? A: The paint and damage indicate the second vehicle. No, she could not have seen the vehicle.   Q: In your opinion, was mailbox destroyer on Pea Ridge Road the one who drove Lamar off the road? A: White paint connects them both, so it is possible. The car was traveling north on Pea Ridge .   Q: What's going to happen to the car now? A: It�s impounded. It'll be scrapped soon as we�re done with it. Its totaled.   Q: If no skid marks, no witnesses , how do you know type of vehicle and point of impact? A: From the paint and damage analysis you know the vehicle. You can also tell plenty from the trail it takes off the road. Also, mechanical reconstruction allows us to determine the point of impact and most likely mechanics that resulted in the accident, that's what computer simulation helps to reconstruct, too. Take all the points of impact, the known measurements, and puts it all together.   Q: How close to S. Lamar Blvd. (old hwy. 7), was the Pea Ridge mailbox incident? A: A few miles?   Q: Were any skid marks found at the crash scene? Or where the car crashed into the mail box? A: No skid marks at the crash scene, there is a partial tire cast from the mud at the mail box.   Q: Can you tell from the damage if the cars were speeding? A: Yes, the cars were speeding. (Note: the speed limit is 45 mph, the estimated speed at the time of the accident is 65 mph)   Q: Is timing of car crash estimated to be before or after mailbox incident? A: The mailbox incident was after the crash. The mailbox incident occurred about seven minutes after the crash.   Q: Have local body shops been alerted to contact police if someone brings in White Ford F-150 with damage to it? A: Yes and none have been discovered so far.   Q: How do you know where the other vehicle started out? Were there tracks or something on the road? A: I�m not sure what is being asked here. Could you clarify? Q: How do you know where vehicle number two, the Ford F150 started out on Hwy. 7? A: We don't. We do know what makes sense according to the mechanics of the accident itself. That's based on speed, vehicle damage, and the factors I mentioned earlier.   Q: Is it possible the damage or paint scrapings could be from an older accident? A: In accident reconstruction it is possible to determine fresh damage, and this was.   Thursday, November 20, 1997 Guest: Jennifer Johnson, Coroner ** Note: due to system troubles this guest chat was interrupted on Thursday and Jennifer Johnson returned on Friday. The information from both presentations has been combined in the Friday summary.   Friday, November 21, 1997 Guests: Jennifer Johnson, Coroner and Detective Terrence Nelson   Opening Remarks -- Jennifer Johnson:   Hello everyone. Thank you for having me back this evening. Last night I reviewed basic information from the autopsy on Charles Lamar. I will review that again this evening for those who were unable to be here. I will then, of course, be open for any additional questions you may have.   First, the time of death. Saturday, November 8, 1997 Charles Lamar was officially pronounced dead at the scene by paramedics. The death certificate was signed by Dr. Cooper Dyson at Baptist Memorial Hospital where the body of Charles Lamar arrived DOA at 10:10 p.m.   Second, cause of death. Third degree burns over 90% of his body, smoke inhalation, head and neck injuries were the immediate cause of death. In addition, we find numerous lacerations, abrasions, and blunt force trauma injuries at autopsy.   Third. Mechanism, manner of death, is clearly the auto accident.   Diazepam, the generic drug name for valium, and alcohol were both present in the toxicology report. Valium is the most popular brand name for diazepam, a drug used in the treatment of anxiety and stress. Lamar was prescribed the drug by his personal physician. His blood alcohol content, was .09%, this is the equivalent, given Charles Lamar�s weight of 230 lbs, of approximately 5 drinks or 5 oz of alcohol.   I'd like to point out that this has been erroneously reported in the press at the much higher level of .5, and last night I made an initial error myself in reading from my notes, .09% is correct. The level of diazepam was the equivalent of 10 mg.   While the coroner's job is not to interpret criminal findings and draw conclusions, that is the job of law enforcement -- a few points arising from the autopsy results and coroner's findings can be made.   First, we find that based on national coroner�s statistics, suicide among law enforcement officers is most likely from self inflicted gunshot wounds, not from traffic accidents. His gun was not found in the car.   Next, we find that Charles Lamar had a legitimate prescription from his physician for diazepam, or brand name valium, prescribed for anxiety and stress. The findings at his home show that the prescription was for 25 tabs and 15 remained in the prescription bottle. This is not an indication of an attempt at that time to commit suicide via a drug and alcohol overdose. Further, if I may return to a question posed last night, we find no traces at autopsy of needle or injection tracks and do not believe that the diazepam in Charles Lamar�s system at autopsy was there due to injection.   The liquor bottle at his home was tested for traces of diazepam and none were found, therefore if the diazepam was introduced involuntarily, it was not through that method. The drinking glass was rinsed and unable to be tested so that remains a potential.   There are no injuries found on autopsy that suggest Lamar suffered any trauma or injury prior to or inconsistent with the auto accident, this leads us to suppose that there was not an attempt to cover prior injury with the accident.   I understand that a question exists as to why Charles Lamar, a law enforcement official, would consider getting behind the wheel of a vehicle with the amount of alcohol and diazepam in his system has been posed. I cannot guess at the motives that Sheriff Lamar had for operating a vehicle in his condition, but I can propose a few possible factors to consider.   The onset of diazepam in the system is from 15 to 30 minutes. Given the Sheriff�s weight of 230 lbs, it is not unreasonable to postulate that it would take nearer the 30 minute onset time in his case. It is possible that when he got behind the wheel of his car he was not experiencing the full effects of both the diazepam and alcohol. I do, however, think that is also reasonable to assume that at the time of the accident, Charles Lamar was experiencing the full CNS (central nervous system) depressant effects of both and that this contributed to his confusion, lack of motor control and visual acuity in responding to the accident.   National Coroner's statistics do show us clearly that at a .05% BAC the risk of auto accident doubles, at a .10% BAC the risk is 7 times greater. It is also noteworthy that at the time of autopsy, the levels of diazepam and alcohol in the blood may represent lower levels than what Charles Lamar began the evening with.   I would be happy to address any questions you may have at this time.   Question and Answer Session:   Q: Were lacerations all due to accident, or were any caused prior to that? A: All injuries were consistent with the events of the accident. By all injuries, I do include lacerations.   Q: Were there any needle marks? A: There were none. In fact there is no evidence that the Sheriff was injected with diazepam, if that is what you are thinking. The liquor bottle was tested for traces of valium and none were found, so if his drinks were laced, it was not from the bottle itself. The glass that he drank from had been rinsed and no traces of diazepam.   Q: You said a "small amount" of diazepam. How much is that? A: 10 mg. His prescription was for 5mg. His prescription was for three a day.   Q: How many pills were left in his pill bottle? A: 15, and the prescription was for 25.   Q: How much did the Sheriff weigh? A: 230 pounds and he was 6 feet, 3 inches tall.   Q: Would the small amount of alcohol really have affected that reaction? A: Yes, even a relatively small amount of diazepam coupled with a moderate amount of alcohol could effect a person's mental and physical state fairly dramatically. I should note too that his BAC was measured a considerable amount of time after his accident, so it was most likely higher prior to the accident.   Q: Then the physician who gave him the pills would have told him this. No alcohol I mean. A: There are a number of drugs, including OTC drugs, that have alcohol warnings. It is very common for patients to ignore this warning. In this case it is possible that he did not realize he had already taken the medication and took it again, or possibly he was in a very agitated state and attempted to self medicate. I can only speculate on that question, I have no way of knowing his motives.   Q: Was the level of medication consistent with his taking it as prescribed? A: Not exactly. Charles Lamar�s prescription would have called for a 5 mg tab 3 time per day, the blood level found was higher than his prescribed amount.   Q: When was the prescription filled? A: His prescription was filled the prior Thursday which was November 6.   Q: Were you able to ascertain just which of his injuries proved to be the cause of death? A: Yes. The damage to the lungs from smoke inhalation combined with the burns are the primary cause of death associated with a secondary cause of head and neck injuries.   Q: How many valium did he take prior to the accident? A: The prescription was for 5 mg tabs, the finding in the tox screen suggests at least two, but it could have been more given the time of onset to autopsy.   Q: Was enough missing from the Sheriff�s prescription to cover the excess or should we look for supplement from some other source? A: I think the question of looking to another source for the diazepam is unlikely. Either he took the dose himself orally or it was administered in his drink, which, as I said the glass was rinsed and unable to be tested.   Q: Were there any marks from the seat belt? A: Yes, there were abrasions and injuries from the seat belt consistent with the accident.   Question and Answer Session with Detective Nelson:   Q: Are there any leads re the large sum of money Vicky obtained in New Orleans? And has anyone check out a connection between the money and Chambeau, his main office is in New Orleans? A: Miss Harberson�s finances are under scrutiny. She seems to have the IRS interested in her affairs. So, she will have few financial secrets. All money that passed through her hands will be accounted for and taxed.   Q: Before Macy disappeared, she used the internet to research. Would your Department release the web pages visited? A: He ISP doesn�t save log files older than one week. I�m told Netscape cookies might yield this data. May I ask where you are headed with this thought?   Q: I wonder if Macy found something that alarmed her. Maybe a search on �Aimee Harberson� produced some surprises. A: Ahh. Very interesting, I�ll have a look.   Q: Isn't it possible that someone other than the Sheriff (Aimee perhaps) mixed the valium in his drink where it could not be seen? A: Yes, that is possible. I think many here would ascribe to that theory.   Q: Was Sheriff Lamar bleeding internally when he was found at the crash scene? A: Yes, he was badly injured.   Q: Any more information about the hang-up caller from Florence, Alabama to Caroline Blanchard? Has the caller been identified? A: No. The call was too short, and no discernible speech to pattern match. It was a payphone call.   Q: Has the newly-conscious deputy had anything interesting to say about the Pierce and Phelps accident? A: He'll be here next week, everyday he seems to recall more about the accident.   Q: What was the content of the prank call made to Ms. Blanchard? A: No content other than noise and rustling.   Q: Has there been any connection between the locations indicated on the map found in the stolen vehicle and Chambeau�s land holdings? A: He didn't own any areas marked on the map. Although he owned land nearby Chambeau owns land all over. I'm making a note of your interest in the connection between the map and Chambeau. If you are correct, it could be interesting.   Q: On the night of the murder, who was the last person to admit to seeing the Sheriff alive? A: No one saw him on Saturday that we know of.   Q: Has anyone looked into the validity of Aimee's alibi for the night of Lamar's death? A: Aimee's alibi is under investigation.