Thursday, September 25, 1997
 
Guest:  John Albee, Oxford Mall and Detective Terry 
Nelson
 
Opening Remarks:
 
"I'm single, in my 30s and I work with Public 
Relations and Mall Management.  I like photography.  
But, lets not talk about me.  I can confirm much of 
what you know that happened at the mall.  I'm not an 
officer so keep that in mind.  Maybe I should start 
with Mac at the Sound Shop.  That's where she was 
"lost".  She did go to the store, and she purchased a 
Crowe CD.  The employee confirmed the sighting.  The 
one real problem came after that.  We have a single 
officer who spends time patrolling the lot and the 
premises.  Maintenance people supplement the staff.  
We have an in store video system but its maintenance 
and staffing was discontinued.  Only one camera is in 
operation.  She was not seen on it.  We don't have any 
parking lot video just the mall truck.  So, that's 
about it. I can answer questions."
 
Question & Answer session with Mr. Albee:
 
Q:  How many times in the past have you observed Marcy 
in the mall?
A:  I've never seen her.
 
Q:  Where is the one camera working located?
A:  The office entrance and main entrance are 
monitored.  Addendum (2 main entrances) are monitored.
 
Q:  Did the men seem disheveled or wounded? What was 
the time?
A:  They didn't seem disheveled.  I just recognized 
the deputy shirt and ignored it.  About 5:30 p.m.
 
Q:  Now that Oxford is fraught with crime, why is 
video still out?
A:  We'll be spending money on the video.  It's been 
bad Public Relations with Christmas coming.  It's just 
in time.
 
Q:  Was she seen in the store alone or talking with 
anyone?
A:  The Sound City boy didn't see anyone with her - 
she came and went alone.
 
Q:  What time was the CD purchase made? Can video be 
made available?
A:  No video.  Purchase would have been between 5:00 & 
5:30 p.m.
 
Q:  What is the mall's vicinity to campus?
A:  We're across Jackson Avenue from the campus.
 
Q:  In the city is the store Hairworks near the Mall 
or in the Mall?  Also, is Jackson Avenue close how 
close?
A:  What address are you asking about, Hairworks--in 
mall? I think they have two.  The Hairworks accident 
scene...Oh, that's about a mile down the road on 
Jackson.  Its closer to the jail and square.
 
Q:  Who discovered purse and bag with CD?
A:  The police found them.
 
Q:  Who sold the CD to Marcy?
A:  He's underage.  I know his name, he doesn't want 
it used--or his mother doesn't.
 
Q:  What caused you to see the stolen car?  Was the 
car ever found ?
A:  Perhaps the Sheriff would know these more, I don't 
know if the car was found.
 
A:  No, it has not been found yet.  No sitings either 
I'm afraid.
 
Q:  What time did you punch out?
A:  5:00 p.m. then had a slice of pizza.
 
Q:  Can you Positively ID either of the suspects as 
the men you saw?
A:  No, I can't.  Not positively.  It's not that it 
couldn't be them though.  Now that they've been on TV, 
I'm even more sure.
 
Question & Answer session with Detective Nelson:
 
Q:  How close to the stolen car was the purse found?
A:  It was found near the mall exit by where the car 
was stolen.
 
Q:  Was the exit with the camera was where Macy was to 
meet her mom?
A:  She didn't show up on that video.
 
Q:  Can you address the identification question 
further?
A:  The subject made a possible ID.  Since we only had 
photos and he'd seen them in the paper, it's rough - 
not 100%.
 
Q:  Who assigned the deputies to the van and who saw 
Ed or Anthony in detention?
A:  Officer Steele assigns duty.  Who saw them in 
detention? The staff and the lawyers.
 
Q:  Was anything found around the area of the stolen 
car?
A:  We found a footprint.
 
Q:  Any identification on it?
A:  No.  May not even be related, but its there.
 
Q:  What size was the shoe print/ what type of shoe?
A:  Its a birkenstock, size 11.
 
Q:  Who was owner of stolen car and was the car 
locked?
A:  The car was said to be locked but there was no 
sign of forced entry.  Likely they said that for 
insurance purposes.  Hot-wiring those models is easy.
 
Q:  Sorry Sir, but you didn't ID the owner of car..Did 
I miss that?
A:  Sorry, George Keel.
 
Q:  Has the house Ed Pierce rented in the country been 
searched?
A:  Oh yes, and the yard.  Nothing spectacular: rope, 
camera, magazines: bondage.  We really wanted to get 
those journals.
 
Q:  I mean has it been searched since the breakout?
A:  We have the shack under watch.  I've spent time 
there - yes, searched.
 
Q:  Who is paying for lawyers for Ed, Anthony and can 
you list the staff who saw them?
A:  They both have public defenders.  We have a staff 
of 20 in the office, all of them saw them through 
several phases.
 
Q:  Did Macy's purse looked scattered or dropped?  How 
far from the CD?
A:  It was dropped, not scattered. Both were in a 
trash container.
 
Q:  Was everything in her purse?
A:  Yes - just the wallet missing.
 
Q:  Could the car have been provided for them by 
someone not hot-wired?
A:  No - car was not provided.  No thought of an 
accomplice there.
 
Q:  How far from the exit were her items found?
A:  How far?  About 50 feet, in a side area for trash.
 
Q:  Did the rape victim (Shawna) know Macy?  Any 
fingerprints on the purse?
A:  Not that we know.  No liftable prints other than 
Macy's.
 
Q:  Do I understand this right...since the escape, 
there have been no sightings of the fugitives?
A:  That's right, so far no sitings at all, not even 
of the car.
 
Q:  Wouldn't that indicate the car is probably garaged 
somewhere?  Five days... they could be anywhere on the 
East coast or halfway across the country...
A:  Either garaged or tags switched and out of state, 
ditched, don't know yet.
 
Q:  They have to be getting money from somewhere.  
These guys have a gun, any robberies recently?
A:  No robberies that match, we are almost waiting for 
one, alert to that possibility.
 
Q:  Have Pawn shops/jewelry stores been alerted to 
watch for Macy's cross necklace?
A:  Yes.  Also watching for the gun.
 
Q:  How far away is nearest relative of either?
A:  Phelps' family in Baton Rouge is closest.  None of 
the relatives have thus far had any contact.
 
Q:  Do they own any other houses for vacation uses?
A:  No, not that we have traced.
 
Q:  Have there been other car thefts in the area or 
surrounding towns?
A:  Yes, but none that tie in.
 
Q:  How can you tell if it ties in?
A:  No print matches, no witness ID's -- cars we know 
of have been located -- joy riders mostly.
 
Q: Did they know each other -- Ed and Anthony?
A:  Both frequented Proud Larry's, but all reports say 
that they were not associating with each other, 
different crowds.
 
Q:  Have dorm laundry rooms been checked for prison 
garb?
A:  Due to the transport, which was a permanent 
relocation, they were both wearing street clothes, not 
prison issue.  Yes, they were in jeans, Pierce had a 
white T-shirt, Phelps's jacket was in the van.
 
Q:  How far was it from where they escaped to the 
mall?
A:  It's a tad over a mile from the crash site to the 
mall.
 
Q:  Deputy Schiff was driving.  Could he have been 
involved in a cover up?
A:  Unlikely.  He is a fifteen year veteran of the 
force and would have nothing to gain.
 
Q:  Could this be a sympathy vote prank for the 
sheriff?
A:  I don't think there is any thought of that.  I 
suspect that is being investigated heavily.  I'm not 
really sure how this would be a sympathy vote prank.  
It sure makes the Sheriff look bad, bad press all 
around right now.
 
Q:  I thought the sheriff was an elected official...is 
he?
A:  Yes.  He is up for re-election this November.
 
Q:  Unless he makes a daring dramatic rescue just 
before election.
A:  Yes that is a point, but how awful a thought.
 
Q:  Who is backing Sheriff financially?  Who is 
backing Mazza financially?
A:  Mazza, we know the republican party of course, and 
Representative Ivy is heavily involved there.  
Campaign contributors are being investigated.
 
Q:  Seems odd...the mother is so sure that she didn't 
run away.....she might have gotten into a car with the 
deputy though......
 
Q:  Where did Macy hang out?
A:  Macy really didn't hang out much anyplace, she was 
very busy with school, athletics and worked the 
weekends.
 
Q:  So she hung out at the track?
A:  The school track, yes after school.
 
Q:  Did either frequent the book store she worked at?
A:  I'd be fairly sure they were in there - it is just 
across the street from Proud Larry's.  There is 
nothing to indicate any particular occurrence between 
any of them though, the owner and other employees at 
Square Books don't recollect anything like that.  She 
didn't work past 6:00 p.m. either, so the bar crowd 
wouldn't necessarily be milling about then.
 
Q:  Was Macy working when Dave Anderson met at Square 
Books with Purity?
A:  I don't think so.  I believe she began this summer 
at Square Books.
 
Q:  She had to have some friends.  Her mother 
mentioned a new boyfriend or something like 
that....someone has to have seen her after she left 
her mother?
A:  Sure, Macy has lots of friends.  Her boyfriend has 
been interviewed and so have many of her friends, I 
think we will have her best friend in chat.  No one 
was at the Mall and saw her though.
 
Q:  How is Detective Anderson?
A:  Detective Anderson is doing very well.  He's been 
released.  He's still not moving around much though as 
I understand it.