Interview Summaries: Murff's bar patrons

Based on Johnny McPhail's statement that he met and often saw Corwin Fitz at Murff's bar, YCSD investigators spoke with 21 patrons of Murff's who were identified as bar regulars. They were asked if they had seen or spoken with Fitz in the bar and if they ever saw him being violent or aggressive. These interview synopses, provided in summary and not verbatim, are the most relevant to the investigation and are representative of all interviews conducted.

  • Donna Cook, age 29, office manager, 119 Chestnut Street

Cook said she met Fitz in December 2003. Cook remembered his name because her father was also named Corwin. Cook said Fitz came into the bar one Saturday afternoon when it was slow. The two of them watched Wheel of Fortune and drank shots. Cook said she thought Fitz was "pretty good looking, but too short." When Cook was presented with a photograph of Fitz, she was unable to identify him, claiming she probably remembered him wrong. Cook said that, though she had visited the bar many times since that Saturday afternoon, she hadn't seen him again.

  • Tate Moore, age 30, musician, 710 South 19th Street

Moore said that he met Corwin Fitz in May of 2004. Moore said that Fitz was a regular at the bar on the Wednesday night acoustic jam that was hosted by Moore from 10:00 p.m. until midnight.

According to Moore, the first time he spoke with Fitz was closing time at the bar and Fitz was refusing to leave. According to Moore, "[Fitz] took a swing at me and missed. When he drew back for a second, I knocked his feet out from under him and he dropped like a rock. All of a sudden, I hear a roar and it's Fitz. He was laughing like a fiend. I guess he got a kick out of it. We did okay after that. That night we drove out to his compound and partied with his crew all night."

Moore said, in later encounters, Fitz was often aggressive when drinking and his size could easily intimidate. According to Moore, "If you were willing to stand up to him, then he gave some respect. If you showed fear he pushed harder." Moore said he saw Fitz "bitch slap" several different people in the bar for disagreeing with him. Moore was unable to identify by name anyone slapped in this manner, claiming he had never seen them before.

  • Dirk Nelson, age 34, UM Associate Professor, 312 North 16th Street

Nelson said he was very familiar with the victim. They met early in March 2004, when Nelson walked into Murff's bar while Fitz was challenging everyone in the bar to a fight. No one came forward and Fitz was becoming more belligerent. Nelson fake whispered, "How about a battle of wits?" Fitz heard this and shouted back, "What the…? All right, smartass. Do you agree with Stephen Hawking that information swallowed by a black hole is forever hidden from the outside universe and will never be revealed?" According to Nelson, he and Fitz spent the rest of the evening discussing metaphysics and drinking. Following that, they made a habit of breaking apart the theories of Freud, Aristotle, Greenspan and even Madonna.

Nelson said he and Fitz shared an interest in Hegelian logic and often challenged each other over interpretation. Fitz was reading the original German texts and loved to quote them in mangled German. According the Nelson, "Fitz was sort of smart but mostly full of crap, which is the most un-Hegelian thing there could be."

  • James Quince, age 41, mechanic, 1750 Jefferson Avenue

Quince described himself as a regular at the bar, coming in about twice a week from 6:00 until 8:00 p.m. Quince was firm in his belief that Fitz was never in the bar during those hours and that he had never seen him. According to Quince, the bar fills with area store workers who stop in for a quick drink and Fitz would have been noticed.

  • Jeffery Rodham, age 23, UM graduate student, 1006 Van Buren Avenue

Rodham claimed he met Fitz at the bar during a televised lacrosse game between New Jersey and Boston on March 26, 2004. Both Rodham and Fitz cheered for the Boston team. Rodham couldn't recall having any particular conversation, but did recall that Fitz paid for Rodham's drinks that evening. Rodham recalled the date because he was arrested for driving under the influence that evening on his way home. According to the arresting officer, someone from the bar called to report Rodham. Rodham suspected the caller was Fitz. Following that night, Rodham saw Fitz in the bar about once a week, but according to Rodham, "We didn't have much to say to each other."